tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32588204.post115957126932228852..comments2023-10-21T05:05:55.779-05:00Comments on Thoughts by Sister Mary Lisa: I Know My PP Lives, and Loves Me TooSister Mary Lisahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00642154849765529070noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32588204.post-71138515100630664992007-11-29T15:12:00.000-06:002007-11-29T15:12:00.000-06:00I have found all christians feel the need to intru...I have found all christians feel the need to intrude on privacy of others with their beliefs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32588204.post-1165298316259960632006-12-04T23:58:00.000-06:002006-12-04T23:58:00.000-06:00Another late response...My wife and I love your wr...Another late response...<BR/><BR/>My wife and I love your writing and am enjoying reading it here in December. <BR/><BR/>Here, you said something that excited me, as I had the same insight (I suppose it's probably not unique, since I think it's fairly obvious, but I haven't heard people talk about it).<BR/><BR/>I won't go into too much depth, as I intend to expand on it greatly in my own (upcoming) blog, but I'll give the short-n-sweet version.<BR/><BR/>You wrote about how church members have a difficult time dissociating true caring from "intrusive behavior." Bullseye.<BR/><BR/>Church members are so distracted, guilt-ridden, overworked and locked into spiritual chain of command that they are unable to distinguish between camaraderie and actual friendship. After all, EVERY relationship has an ulterior motive. Are you strengthening the saints? Honoring god? Furthering the work? Oh, it's a NON-MEMBER friend? Are you working on sharing the gospel, bringing him in? When are you going to share it? ALWAYS be prepping them.<BR/><BR/>You spend so much time maintaining pretense with artificial good feelings and superficial niceness that you not only don't have the time, but almost don't know how to have an honest, authentic and unpretentious friendship.<BR/><BR/>Instead, most of the time you confuse community/group identity and the <I>feeling</I> of closeness that can come about between two members with feelings of actual friendship.<BR/><BR/>I remember being in the church after I had converted and thinking with sadness that, oh, I guess this is how relationships are supposed to be in a sustainable, righteous world. I guess it's selfish and hedonistic to wish for plain, indulgent friendships. I've lost several valuable old friendships with people whom I miss because I suddenly became different -- trying to maneuver them into gospel discussions, etc. Ugh.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, I am so glad to be free of that. And my wife has found her first REAL friend (other than ME) who cares about her and is on her side no matter what. It's difficult to exaggerate the healthy effect this has had.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, cheers to you on that insight!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32588204.post-1159673626257347782006-09-30T22:33:00.000-05:002006-09-30T22:33:00.000-05:00If only the Adam-God theory was the only inconsist...If only the Adam-God theory was the only inconsistency!! I am glad you got that e-mail...at least I don't have to be alone! I think the PP REALLY neads a life. Obviously, she needed the weekend to formulate a half-assed response to your questions. Through her a couple more just for grins. :)Just one of manyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16499357350979429777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32588204.post-1159634518830549712006-09-30T11:41:00.000-05:002006-09-30T11:41:00.000-05:00I kind of feel sorry for PP. Because she can't thi...I kind of feel sorry for PP. Because she can't think straight or honestly, and has swallowed the hook so far down, so long ago it has become one with her.<BR/><BR/>Something non-Mormons, non-Catholics, and non-several other demoninations don't understand is that these religions are all about the "Church", the message of the church, and the church founder are far more important that God, Jesus, and the power and promise of Salvation through the Lord Jesus Christ.<BR/><BR/>PP wants to be your friend, but she can't even separate that friendship and her church in one little letter.<BR/><BR/>Personally ML I say run fast in the opposite direction. Do not stop at Olive Garden when they are lunching. Do not collect blessings that end with dabs of prayed over olive oil. Live happily ever after.<BR/><BR/>Just my own thoughts :)Celehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11471318342104018488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32588204.post-1159573673965296712006-09-29T18:47:00.000-05:002006-09-29T18:47:00.000-05:00I look at that ideology and I can say for a certai...I look at that ideology and I can say for a certain fact neither Christians nor Jews adhere to that Adam - God theory. <BR/><BR/>"Faithful members of the Church worship the Father, in the name of Jesus Christ, by the power of the Holy Spirit, and view Adam in his proper high place as the pre-existent Michael,the first man and presiding high priest(under Christ) over all the earth for all time, and as the one who will again lead the armies of heaven in the final great war with lucifer. There is a sense, of course in which Adam is a God. But so in the same sense are Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob; Moses and all the ancient prophets<BR/><BR/>"All exalted beings become joint heirs with Christ and inherit the fulness of the Father's kingdom. They shall be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting," (PP)<BR/><BR/>We have eternal being not equality with God in any respect, that absolutely ludacris. <BR/><BR/>"because they continue; D.&C 132:19-21 Of all these Adam is the chief, presiding (under Christ and the Father) in patriarchal order over all the rest." (PP)<BR/><BR/>No proof of that either and I especially loved it when he said Adam would come back and fight in the end against satan...actually in the final battle acording to revelations it's Jesus and it's figurative (so is Adam Jesus?). Also Adam being the supreme and highest priest, that again is Jesus' spot according to mainstream Christianity. Weird. <BR/><BR/>I think the Mormon people are trying to be sincere but as you point out, they hide what they know about you too (and judge you in secret). Stand firm and stick to what you have come to learn and with your integrity...who knows maybe they will begin to want to know you.SocietyVshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10892870801259282254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32588204.post-1159572684032374172006-09-29T18:31:00.000-05:002006-09-29T18:31:00.000-05:00If only the Adam-God doctrine were the ONLY incons...If only the Adam-God doctrine were the ONLY inconsistency / idiosyncrasy in Mormonism that the apologists have to fumble around to explain. Hm...<BR/><BR/>I've never had to go through what you're going through. They pretty much left me alone. I am sort of aggressive, and I was very forthright in my leaving. But still, I haven't had anyone bear their testimony at me, except for the bishop.<BR/><BR/>You're handling it well, just go with your feelings. :)Lahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12780058272081102135noreply@blogger.com